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	<title>Comments on: Finda and Yellow: they had already lost</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Trye</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-28251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Trye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My cynical update on the Yellow vs Google stuff is available here. 
http://www.digitalmarketing.co.nz/hidden-truths/yellow-last-gasp/
I think it was this old article that inspired me a year back....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cynical update on the Yellow vs Google stuff is available here.<br />
<a href="http://www.digitalmarketing.co.nz/hidden-truths/yellow-last-gasp/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalmarketing.co.nz/hidden-truths/yellow-last-gasp/</a><br />
I think it was this old article that inspired me a year back&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blain</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-13144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Blain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2,852000 Yellow Pages directories published for New Zealand&#039;s metros if each on weighs on average 1.5kgs that&#039;s 4,278000 tonnes of paper !
Say NO to Yellow - follow us on Twitter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2,852000 Yellow Pages directories published for New Zealand&#8217;s metros if each on weighs on average 1.5kgs that&#8217;s 4,278000 tonnes of paper !<br />
Say NO to Yellow &#8211; follow us on Twitter!</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Parker's Outside Line : Yellow Maps</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-12715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nigel Parker's Outside Line : Yellow Maps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] see that Lance Wiggs has blogged his own opinions of the NZ market for business listings online. IMO the comments below the article are more telling of the opportunities that are left to explore.  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see that Lance Wiggs has blogged his own opinions of the NZ market for business listings online. IMO the comments below the article are more telling of the opportunities that are left to explore.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deepa Palande</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-12026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deepa Palande]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZ businesses need to move away from their over dependence on advertising mediums that cost a fortune. Clearly New Zealand has high broadband penetration (although the speeds are an altogether different story) and it is no wonder that internet is a medium of choice for the average kiwi bloke who cannot be bothered reading a local rag or rummage through the junk to see &quot;that special offer&quot;. This is evolution of - call it metamorphosis - the internet throws open a plethora of options, right from adding that special offer to branding to, getting qualified leads to your website. The finda platform allows local businesses to achieve local visibility cost effectively and at very competitive costs.
Any business which is looking to achieve results both strategic (long term) or tactical (short term)will find advertising on Finda useful and effective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ businesses need to move away from their over dependence on advertising mediums that cost a fortune. Clearly New Zealand has high broadband penetration (although the speeds are an altogether different story) and it is no wonder that internet is a medium of choice for the average kiwi bloke who cannot be bothered reading a local rag or rummage through the junk to see &#8220;that special offer&#8221;. This is evolution of &#8211; call it metamorphosis &#8211; the internet throws open a plethora of options, right from adding that special offer to branding to, getting qualified leads to your website. The finda platform allows local businesses to achieve local visibility cost effectively and at very competitive costs.<br />
Any business which is looking to achieve results both strategic (long term) or tactical (short term)will find advertising on Finda useful and effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a much better local search at www.zoomin.co.nz.  It out performs any of the others and is on par with Google.  They have some exciting things in the works to be released in months to come.

Also www.madefromnewzealand.com is a great new site which is all about promoting New Zealand businesses and getting Google love to their sites.  There is no cost to be on the site.

With the power vacuum and switchover of finda, it will be interesting who comes out on top.  I have to say, yellow doesn&#039;t look that nimble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a much better local search at <a href="http://www.zoomin.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.zoomin.co.nz</a>.  It out performs any of the others and is on par with Google.  They have some exciting things in the works to be released in months to come.</p>
<p>Also <a href="http://www.madefromnewzealand.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.madefromnewzealand.com</a> is a great new site which is all about promoting New Zealand businesses and getting Google love to their sites.  There is no cost to be on the site.</p>
<p>With the power vacuum and switchover of finda, it will be interesting who comes out on top.  I have to say, yellow doesn&#8217;t look that nimble.</p>
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		<title>By: Phnite</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phnite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 60% of NZ businesses have a web site so without Yellow, Finda, NZS etc they would never make it into Google. The future for these business directories is to provide an easy templated web presence for these 40% of companies - with good search optimisation so that they turn up in Google. Then they are competing against web development companies, rather than Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 60% of NZ businesses have a web site so without Yellow, Finda, NZS etc they would never make it into Google. The future for these business directories is to provide an easy templated web presence for these 40% of companies &#8211; with good search optimisation so that they turn up in Google. Then they are competing against web development companies, rather than Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great posting Lance. 

I have wondered why more people don&#039;t use the direct listing on google maps when looking for directories to list with. However with finda supplying listings to Google then it makes sense to list with finda and kill 2 birds with one stone.

I like finda, but find it limiting, I dislike yellow as I find their search response to be generally irrelevant (especially if using a site search from google). Yellow&#039;s issues may come from a lack of optimisation as this is the only reason I can think of as to why their results would be so poor. 

The key issue i have with Yellow is the cost of listing online and the very poor effort they have made at optimising their site. To see how far off the point Yellow are just google for a business you are looking for and then if a Yellow google ad pops up you will clearly see the lack of relevance they have to search terms.

Yellow pages have changed tact recently and started to advertise for SEO and SEM staff in December while at the same time Yellow laid off graphic designers. So it would appear that Yellow are moving to improve the search results of their service online and focus less on their print ads.

I have always thought Yellow was in the best position in NZ to take advantage of the under utilised text ad space focused on a regional (local) approach. Using the same concept as google ad words Yellow could use their own listings to offer the service to NZ focused websites and target based on demographic and location. Yellow must have the most comprehensive database of business information in NZ so why not expand their service? It would seem like the obvious choice to me and with the already massive number of paying clients they could focus on delivering a real service rather than a continuing to deliver a very average directory. Surely Yellow could find plenty of sites (even their own advertisers) to use this service and with a NZ focused company in the market I think the results would easily outstrip googles.

food for thought. I look forward to the next post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great posting Lance. </p>
<p>I have wondered why more people don&#8217;t use the direct listing on google maps when looking for directories to list with. However with finda supplying listings to Google then it makes sense to list with finda and kill 2 birds with one stone.</p>
<p>I like finda, but find it limiting, I dislike yellow as I find their search response to be generally irrelevant (especially if using a site search from google). Yellow&#8217;s issues may come from a lack of optimisation as this is the only reason I can think of as to why their results would be so poor. </p>
<p>The key issue i have with Yellow is the cost of listing online and the very poor effort they have made at optimising their site. To see how far off the point Yellow are just google for a business you are looking for and then if a Yellow google ad pops up you will clearly see the lack of relevance they have to search terms.</p>
<p>Yellow pages have changed tact recently and started to advertise for SEO and SEM staff in December while at the same time Yellow laid off graphic designers. So it would appear that Yellow are moving to improve the search results of their service online and focus less on their print ads.</p>
<p>I have always thought Yellow was in the best position in NZ to take advantage of the under utilised text ad space focused on a regional (local) approach. Using the same concept as google ad words Yellow could use their own listings to offer the service to NZ focused websites and target based on demographic and location. Yellow must have the most comprehensive database of business information in NZ so why not expand their service? It would seem like the obvious choice to me and with the already massive number of paying clients they could focus on delivering a real service rather than a continuing to deliver a very average directory. Surely Yellow could find plenty of sites (even their own advertisers) to use this service and with a NZ focused company in the market I think the results would easily outstrip googles.</p>
<p>food for thought. I look forward to the next post.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scroll down to the bottom of the Google map search page:

&quot;Business listings provided by Finda™&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scroll down to the bottom of the Google map search page:</p>
<p>&#8220;Business listings provided by Finda™&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Helm</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alistair Helm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another perspective Lance, somewhat cynical but all the same commercially motivated.

Take one smart ambitious entrepreneurial Aucklandler, let&#039;s for the sake of example call him Shane.

He sees a gaping hole in the market for business profiling online as Telecom seems to be ignoring online and focusing on paper based directories and a new online investment called Ferrit. Shane thinks if I am smart and make a smart site some greedy media company will buy it off me!

Low and behold 2 years later as the media companies jostle for advantage in the new media space following Fairfax&#039;s jaw dropping $700m for Trade me, APN thinks - here is a goldmine called Finda - that will fit well with our wises business and is a good advertising base to add to our portfolio now we realise we really need more online than just NZ Herald. So they offer to buy 50% of Shane&#039;s business as long as he keep running it and by the way can he also help us with our online strategy as we cannot seem to find anyone who really understands it.

So another 2 years pass in which APN buys up all the shares in Finda and Telecom divests in Yellow pages to a rich and somewhat naive private equity fund for a seriously over valued price. The new management of Yellow seeking to demonstrate to their new owners that they can make the yellow site the #1 search online as the print book is (strange ambition given Google&#039;s unassailable lead) seek out whatever partnership they can as well as investing heavily in traditional advertising offline in an effort to build traffic.

Finding the going tough given the APN leveraged media profile of finda (seen a few finda ads on NZ Herald lately or on outdoor billboards owned by APN media?) Yellow finally decide that the only solution is to take out the competitor. 

End result - happy Shane, happy APN, challenged Yellow - I wish them luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another perspective Lance, somewhat cynical but all the same commercially motivated.</p>
<p>Take one smart ambitious entrepreneurial Aucklandler, let&#8217;s for the sake of example call him Shane.</p>
<p>He sees a gaping hole in the market for business profiling online as Telecom seems to be ignoring online and focusing on paper based directories and a new online investment called Ferrit. Shane thinks if I am smart and make a smart site some greedy media company will buy it off me!</p>
<p>Low and behold 2 years later as the media companies jostle for advantage in the new media space following Fairfax&#8217;s jaw dropping $700m for Trade me, APN thinks &#8211; here is a goldmine called Finda &#8211; that will fit well with our wises business and is a good advertising base to add to our portfolio now we realise we really need more online than just NZ Herald. So they offer to buy 50% of Shane&#8217;s business as long as he keep running it and by the way can he also help us with our online strategy as we cannot seem to find anyone who really understands it.</p>
<p>So another 2 years pass in which APN buys up all the shares in Finda and Telecom divests in Yellow pages to a rich and somewhat naive private equity fund for a seriously over valued price. The new management of Yellow seeking to demonstrate to their new owners that they can make the yellow site the #1 search online as the print book is (strange ambition given Google&#8217;s unassailable lead) seek out whatever partnership they can as well as investing heavily in traditional advertising offline in an effort to build traffic.</p>
<p>Finding the going tough given the APN leveraged media profile of finda (seen a few finda ads on NZ Herald lately or on outdoor billboards owned by APN media?) Yellow finally decide that the only solution is to take out the competitor. </p>
<p>End result &#8211; happy Shane, happy APN, challenged Yellow &#8211; I wish them luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/02/05/finda-and-yellow-they-had-already-lost/#comment-11830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google&#039;s local business listings appear to be supplied by Finda (see the link at the bottom of the Google maps page).  I discovered this when looking for fitness centres in Lower Hutt... the new Les Mills isn&#039;t included there, but turns up in Yellow&#039;s results.

On the bright side, both list &#039;Kiwi Pole Fitness&#039;.  If I join there I&#039;ll be sure to vlog my workouts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s local business listings appear to be supplied by Finda (see the link at the bottom of the Google maps page).  I discovered this when looking for fitness centres in Lower Hutt&#8230; the new Les Mills isn&#8217;t included there, but turns up in Yellow&#8217;s results.</p>
<p>On the bright side, both list &#8216;Kiwi Pole Fitness&#8217;.  If I join there I&#8217;ll be sure to vlog my workouts.</p>
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