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		<title>By: car security</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-26626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[car security]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can protect our web pages from this type of thieves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can protect our web pages from this type of thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: El Porko</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-16938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Porko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t stealing, its copyright infringement. Nothing is stolen!

I take it you have the copyright holders permission to use the Gary Larson cartoon on your page:
http://lancewiggs.com/2010/02/16/why-xt-keeps-failing/ 

No? Shame on you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t stealing, its copyright infringement. Nothing is stolen!</p>
<p>I take it you have the copyright holders permission to use the Gary Larson cartoon on your page:<br />
<a href="http://lancewiggs.com/2010/02/16/why-xt-keeps-failing/" rel="nofollow">http://lancewiggs.com/2010/02/16/why-xt-keeps-failing/</a> </p>
<p>No? Shame on you!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lawgeeknz - Agreed. Google isn&#039;t in it for the lulz.

That said, I reckon Google News is much like regular Google Search...just limited to the small set of authoritative sources and ordered by recency. They only display a sentence or two of any article so if someone wants to actually consume the content they have to click through to the original source.

I think it would be fine if jobs.org.nz linked directly rather than through their own permalinks which are creating a destination page for each individual article. There&#039;s no reason to have your own permalinks unless you want to create lots of pages in the hope of generating search traffic and page views (that&#039;s the copyright owners priviledge).

I wonder how many of the sources listed in Google News ask to be removed. My guess is not many for the same reason not many people opt out of the Google search index.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lawgeeknz &#8211; Agreed. Google isn&#8217;t in it for the lulz.</p>
<p>That said, I reckon Google News is much like regular Google Search&#8230;just limited to the small set of authoritative sources and ordered by recency. They only display a sentence or two of any article so if someone wants to actually consume the content they have to click through to the original source.</p>
<p>I think it would be fine if jobs.org.nz linked directly rather than through their own permalinks which are creating a destination page for each individual article. There&#8217;s no reason to have your own permalinks unless you want to create lots of pages in the hope of generating search traffic and page views (that&#8217;s the copyright owners priviledge).</p>
<p>I wonder how many of the sources listed in Google News ask to be removed. My guess is not many for the same reason not many people opt out of the Google search index.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Stealing? &#187; Nevermind</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What&#8217;s Stealing? &#187; Nevermind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] interesting little tale has come up today, starting with Lance Wiggs complaining that a site is syndicating his blog headlines. He labels it stealing and discussion [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interesting little tale has come up today, starting with Lance Wiggs complaining that a site is syndicating his blog headlines. He labels it stealing and discussion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dylan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d argue that aggregation sites (i.e. Google News) hurts publishers in the long run. Content costs money to produce (writers, reporters, photographers) and over the years Google has got really good at &quot;stealing it&quot; for the purposes of making money (the entire YouTube/Record Label debate springs to mind).

I did a blog post here: http://www.dylanbland.com/?p=221]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that aggregation sites (i.e. Google News) hurts publishers in the long run. Content costs money to produce (writers, reporters, photographers) and over the years Google has got really good at &#8220;stealing it&#8221; for the purposes of making money (the entire YouTube/Record Label debate springs to mind).</p>
<p>I did a blog post here: <a href="http://www.dylanbland.com/?p=221" rel="nofollow">http://www.dylanbland.com/?p=221</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lance Wiggs</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Wiggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from @szechuan via Twitter:
have you been following the discussion about AllThingsD, and the subsequent changes to their site? 
&lt;a title=&quot;kittke&quot; href=&quot;http://kottke.org/09/04/extreme-borrowing-in-the-blogosphere&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kottke.org&lt;/a&gt; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from @szechuan via Twitter:<br />
have you been following the discussion about AllThingsD, and the subsequent changes to their site?<br />
<a title="kittke" href="http://kottke.org/09/04/extreme-borrowing-in-the-blogosphere" rel="nofollow">Kottke.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: lawgeeknz</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lawgeeknz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Charles - Google is clearly in it for the money as well. Not as directly as a site gaining revenue from Adsense but they don&#039;t do what they do as a public good ;-) (good article on this by Mike at http://work.miramarmike.co.nz/2009/04/3-reasons-why-free-is-not-free.html)

As business starts to move into social networking, arguments over who owns what and who can use it are going to be at the forefront of legal development of copyright/IP.  Its happening all over the place - domain names, #s92A music and film p2p ripoffs, webscraping, satire and parody etc etc.  This is not new on the web though - to misquote John Perry Barlow (http://bit.ly/8b4HH) its old wine in new bottles.  Actually reminds me of the framing and deeplinking wars of a decade ago and has the same issues.

FWIW, Lance, I think your approach is right.  How can we test the limits of what should and should not be allowed if we don&#039;t, well ... test the limits by staking a claim first.  All very well to say that you know an elephant when you see it but that is not that helpful when you are trying to decide in advance what is allowed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles &#8211; Google is clearly in it for the money as well. Not as directly as a site gaining revenue from Adsense but they don&#8217;t do what they do as a public good ;-) (good article on this by Mike at <a href="http://work.miramarmike.co.nz/2009/04/3-reasons-why-free-is-not-free.html" rel="nofollow">http://work.miramarmike.co.nz/2009/04/3-reasons-why-free-is-not-free.html</a>)</p>
<p>As business starts to move into social networking, arguments over who owns what and who can use it are going to be at the forefront of legal development of copyright/IP.  Its happening all over the place &#8211; domain names, #s92A music and film p2p ripoffs, webscraping, satire and parody etc etc.  This is not new on the web though &#8211; to misquote John Perry Barlow (<a href="http://bit.ly/8b4HH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8b4HH</a>) its old wine in new bottles.  Actually reminds me of the framing and deeplinking wars of a decade ago and has the same issues.</p>
<p>FWIW, Lance, I think your approach is right.  How can we test the limits of what should and should not be allowed if we don&#8217;t, well &#8230; test the limits by staking a claim first.  All very well to say that you know an elephant when you see it but that is not that helpful when you are trying to decide in advance what is allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is a definite difference between what Google News does and what jobs.org.nz was doing...

Google news uses a very short snippet and they link to the original story directly, both from their site and from their RSS feed. It is about discovery.

Conversely jobs.org.nz, while also using a snippet (I&#039;d say too long), doesn&#039;t link directly, instead they have a permalink for each of the posts they syndicate, and these all have comments enabled...which means they are potentially appropriating your audience (unlikely I know, but the intent is clearly there). As you would expect from a Wordpress powered site they also link back to themselves from their RSS feed.

Particularly considering the use of Adsense it seems to me the intent of jobs.org.nz is clearly different from Google News. Where Google news is about discovery (like the search box), jobs.org.nz is using your content in the hope that they&#039;ll generate natural search traffic on your content and then monetize it with Adsense.

Without Adsense anymore I wonder what the motivation will be to maintain the site as it is?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a definite difference between what Google News does and what jobs.org.nz was doing&#8230;</p>
<p>Google news uses a very short snippet and they link to the original story directly, both from their site and from their RSS feed. It is about discovery.</p>
<p>Conversely jobs.org.nz, while also using a snippet (I&#8217;d say too long), doesn&#8217;t link directly, instead they have a permalink for each of the posts they syndicate, and these all have comments enabled&#8230;which means they are potentially appropriating your audience (unlikely I know, but the intent is clearly there). As you would expect from a WordPress powered site they also link back to themselves from their RSS feed.</p>
<p>Particularly considering the use of Adsense it seems to me the intent of jobs.org.nz is clearly different from Google News. Where Google news is about discovery (like the search box), jobs.org.nz is using your content in the hope that they&#8217;ll generate natural search traffic on your content and then monetize it with Adsense.</p>
<p>Without Adsense anymore I wonder what the motivation will be to maintain the site as it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Wiggs</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Wiggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve also received an email from 1stdomains  the registrar. They referred me to the (named) hosting company.
I&#039;ve got to say - it is great being in New Zealand. I would normally expect to hit a brick wall on this stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also received an email from 1stdomains  the registrar. They referred me to the (named) hosting company.<br />
I&#8217;ve got to say &#8211; it is great being in New Zealand. I would normally expect to hit a brick wall on this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Wiggs</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/04/22/stealing-content-from-bloggers/#comment-12287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Wiggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Via @spudooli on twitter: If you ignore the site design and the extra page view, jobs.org.nz isn&#039;t doing much different to what techmeme.com does]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via @spudooli on twitter: If you ignore the site design and the extra page view, jobs.org.nz isn&#8217;t doing much different to what techmeme.com does</p>
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