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		<title>By: Glen Anderson</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15199</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glen Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we really don&#039;t know how many people it really annoyed do we. I know you certainly didn&#039;t like or get the advertisement, but as I said before, it probably wasn&#039;t targeted at you.

More invasive ads for free content websites are here to stay, so lets just move on. This blog usually covers much more relevant topics, lets not bother complaining about online advertising which will always to some degree be an annoyance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we really don&#8217;t know how many people it really annoyed do we. I know you certainly didn&#8217;t like or get the advertisement, but as I said before, it probably wasn&#8217;t targeted at you.</p>
<p>More invasive ads for free content websites are here to stay, so lets just move on. This blog usually covers much more relevant topics, lets not bother complaining about online advertising which will always to some degree be an annoyance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Wiggs</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance Wiggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure - but the issue is that it annoyed everyone and that detracted   from the quality of the product advertised and the editorial. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure &#8211; but the issue is that it annoyed everyone and that detracted   from the quality of the product advertised and the editorial. </p>
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		<title>By: Glen Anderson</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glen Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why did you see it? Because blanket advertising is sometimes still an effective means of reaching your target audience. nzherald.co.nz is one of the 10 most popular websites in New Zealand. 

Those crazy Coca-Cola marketing people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you see it? Because blanket advertising is sometimes still an effective means of reaching your target audience. nzherald.co.nz is one of the 10 most popular websites in New Zealand. </p>
<p>Those crazy Coca-Cola marketing people.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Redlick</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Redlick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear advertiser,

Of the 100 page views we had, 5 people who couldnt figure out how to avoid your ad saw it.

Of those 5, one person accidentally clicked on it. Congrats!  that&#039;s a 20% click through.  That rates as a highly effective ad!!

ok, seriously...  I think we both understand where the other is coming from.  Ads arent going anywhere for a good long while.  A lot rides on them.  I sold and relied on them once upon a time.

The intent of my original comment was to draw thoguht to a possible third option beyond OptionA: Ads and OptionB: Selling content/micropayments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear advertiser,</p>
<p>Of the 100 page views we had, 5 people who couldnt figure out how to avoid your ad saw it.</p>
<p>Of those 5, one person accidentally clicked on it. Congrats!  that&#8217;s a 20% click through.  That rates as a highly effective ad!!</p>
<p>ok, seriously&#8230;  I think we both understand where the other is coming from.  Ads arent going anywhere for a good long while.  A lot rides on them.  I sold and relied on them once upon a time.</p>
<p>The intent of my original comment was to draw thoguht to a possible third option beyond OptionA: Ads and OptionB: Selling content/micropayments.</p>
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		<title>By: Shama Sukul</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shama Sukul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@keld - Very well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@keld &#8211; Very well said.</p>
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		<title>By: keld</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: The $17 million was for display only, but the total digital expenditure for Q309 was about $57 million, again the highest for a quarter that it&#039;s ever been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: The $17 million was for display only, but the total digital expenditure for Q309 was about $57 million, again the highest for a quarter that it&#8217;s ever been.</p>
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		<title>By: keld</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Shane: I think you&#039;re missing the point.

Simply saying that X number of people have ad blockers installed is like saying 90% of people switch channels when TV ads screen. 

Effectiveness isn&#039;t measured by how many people saw an ad. That&#039;s reach.

Effectiveness is a measure of whether the ad viewed by the recipients, understood or acted upon the message that the advertiser intended, against the dollar spent on one medium/site versus another.

People &#039;not viewing&#039; advertisements is a fact of life. It&#039;s like switching channels during TV ads. The only people touting this line as the doom of advertising are those who pretend to know what advertising is about. I don&#039;t know why you&#039;d include the people who &#039;opt out&#039; of advertising into the loop, as clearly, the effectiveness measure will only include the number of people who actually viewed the ad and their subsequent responses. 

Oh and by the way, since we were talking about a NZ site, the IAB numbers I quoted were from IAB NZ. At ~$17 million this quarter, it&#039;s the highest its ever been. 

Sure, we can have a discussion around global stats. But how effective would that be if you don&#039;t focus on the domestic factors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shane: I think you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>
<p>Simply saying that X number of people have ad blockers installed is like saying 90% of people switch channels when TV ads screen. </p>
<p>Effectiveness isn&#8217;t measured by how many people saw an ad. That&#8217;s reach.</p>
<p>Effectiveness is a measure of whether the ad viewed by the recipients, understood or acted upon the message that the advertiser intended, against the dollar spent on one medium/site versus another.</p>
<p>People &#8216;not viewing&#8217; advertisements is a fact of life. It&#8217;s like switching channels during TV ads. The only people touting this line as the doom of advertising are those who pretend to know what advertising is about. I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;d include the people who &#8216;opt out&#8217; of advertising into the loop, as clearly, the effectiveness measure will only include the number of people who actually viewed the ad and their subsequent responses. </p>
<p>Oh and by the way, since we were talking about a NZ site, the IAB numbers I quoted were from IAB NZ. At ~$17 million this quarter, it&#8217;s the highest its ever been. </p>
<p>Sure, we can have a discussion around global stats. But how effective would that be if you don&#8217;t focus on the domestic factors?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Redlick</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Redlick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Targetted ads may have grow legs.  But who wants to let the potential vendor into your house to have a look around, see what&#039;s in your drawers, then suggest &#039;what you need&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Targetted ads may have grow legs.  But who wants to let the potential vendor into your house to have a look around, see what&#8217;s in your drawers, then suggest &#8216;what you need&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Redlick</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Redlick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@keld: Q309 is recovering, not strong - from it&#039;s losses in Q2 and earlier (http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21957509), which granted, is better than expected.

This is online.  Offline, things don&#039;t look so rosy. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/29/the-wounded-us-newspaper-industry-lost-75-billion-in-advertising-revenues-last-year/)

Effectiveness is not so easy to measure.

Let&#039;s ask firefox.  Their ad-blocker add-on is in the top 10 shared add-on&#039;s for their browser and has been downloaded 63,203,135 times.

You&#039;re about to say, &#039;hold on!  Just because people don&#039;t want to see them, doesnt mean they&#039;re not effective&#039;.

It turns out there&#039;s a name for it.  Jakob Nielson calls it Banner Blindness.  It&#039;s hard for them to be effective if you don&#039;t see them.

Have a look at the picture: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness-examples.jpg
ref: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@keld: Q309 is recovering, not strong &#8211; from it&#8217;s losses in Q2 and earlier (<a href="http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21957509" rel="nofollow">http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21957509</a>), which granted, is better than expected.</p>
<p>This is online.  Offline, things don&#8217;t look so rosy. (<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/29/the-wounded-us-newspaper-industry-lost-75-billion-in-advertising-revenues-last-year/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/29/the-wounded-us-newspaper-industry-lost-75-billion-in-advertising-revenues-last-year/</a>)</p>
<p>Effectiveness is not so easy to measure.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s ask firefox.  Their ad-blocker add-on is in the top 10 shared add-on&#8217;s for their browser and has been downloaded 63,203,135 times.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re about to say, &#8216;hold on!  Just because people don&#8217;t want to see them, doesnt mean they&#8217;re not effective&#8217;.</p>
<p>It turns out there&#8217;s a name for it.  Jakob Nielson calls it Banner Blindness.  It&#8217;s hard for them to be effective if you don&#8217;t see them.</p>
<p>Have a look at the picture: <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness-examples.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness-examples.jpg</a><br />
ref: <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shane Redlick</title>
		<link>http://lancewiggs.com/2009/11/30/what-were-you-thinking-nzherald/#comment-15118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Redlick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.cyberjournalist.net/top-tier-publishers-to-launch-more-intrusive-web-ads/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cyberjournalist.net/top-tier-publishers-to-launch-more-intrusive-web-ads/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberjournalist.net/top-tier-publishers-to-launch-more-intrusive-web-ads/</a></p>
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